Why does there need to be a player wipe? Why not just open a Tempus ver 3.0 or something on another port? Or allow somebody else to run the old version on a different server? If the powers that be want to drastically change the mud, thats their business. We deal with it constantly. But for those of us that like Tempus the way it is, why not allow us to keep a copy of it? Then those that wanna stay can, and those that want to move on to the next iteration may as well. Everybody wins. And those like me, who can't take another wipe, don't hafta find a new hobby.

You DEAL with it? You DEAL with the work that we put into this place so that it's here for you to play in the first place?

That's a pretty shitty attitude…

I've been working in secret for well over a year now to make the mud a much better place. I've worked my ASS off adding stuff for YOU to have fun with. And yes, because of the nature of the changes, old characters have no place in the new system. You WILL be wiped.

If you can't deal with that, then you might as well leave now. And in fact, you might as well stop playing any mud, because they all do it occasionally.

Some muds wipe and don't even give you anything new to make up for it. They just do it to keep the playerbase from stagnating.

So yeah, you might as well leave. And if your attitude towards me busting my ass to make Tempus a better place is that you DEAL with it. Good riddance to you.

Hope not to see you around…

And to answer your question, no, I will not run a second copy of the mud just because you are too petty, arrogant, selfish, close minded and resistant to change to appreciate the hard work that all of us put into it.

N

But he's not bitter! -cackle-

And just FYI to the rest of you, I don't care how much you whine about losing your characters. I know that part sucks, I've been through every wizlock myself, and you are entitled to a little whining about losing your characters.

I just ask that you remain open minded and check it out afterwards. I'm doing some really revolutionary stuff as far as Tempus goes, and it's really quite exciting.

I've made no secret of the fact over the couple of nights that there are new classes, and some old classes are going away. That's the part that really requires the wipe.

There is going to be a level of complexity behind the scenes never before seen in Tempus. For instance, race is going to matter. Mobs are going to be smarter and more interactive.

There are going to be some things that you guys won't like, but for the most part, you're going to be very happy with your characters.

All the classes should be much more balanced and more developed.

It's going to be good, and if you'll give it a chance, you'll be very happy.

N

Ahh yes the dreaded P-wipe again. First id like to say that years ago it was talked about another one again. Yes we lost a few players but the thing about muds is that they are never going to stop changing and having wipes. I been around since 98.. yeah I know some of you people have been around longer than me and I dont care. This is me talking not you!!

There was a lot of changes in the mud that I didnt like but they were all for the best. When remort invis and nowho and all that other good stuff was taken away I didnt like it but it was taken away because the mud was unsocial and we lost new people cause who wants to play on a mud when the only people that are visible is people that just started and dont know how to nowho and stuff yet. That was a change that annoyed a lot of people but overtime people dealt with it.

I will be honest, Im not looking foreward to the whole p-wipe thing but for the grimp so just say ok, well Im going to whip all of your chars lvls and equipment and stats is not because he wants to be an asshole, its because he wants to make the mud a more fun place. Trust me I know first hand when he wants to be an asshole :P Most of you are like I worked hard to make my char this way and it isnt fair. Who hasnt? All my chars have special eq that I got over the years of playing and busting my ass to win quests and get prizes and stuff. But look I look at it like this. I lost more imm enchants, quest prizes and oedits more than all of you probly. While most of you are like WHATS THE DIRECTIONS TO HERE!!!! ARE THERE ANY DTS?? Im like fuck it and explore and dt and lose all my shit. Imms arent the one thats taking the fun out of the mud its you guys. Everything is handed to you all on a silver platter and it makes me sick.

I agree with nothing if you guys want to bitch and complain about all this then go ahead. I know from personal experience pissing off the grimp or any other imms isnt a good idea. But I played a lot of muds and this mud is the most original and thats why I say go for the p-wipe because its only going to make it better. And to the rest of you bitches! BITE ME. My 4 pennies :)

Thank you Dyne. I really appreciate that comment. And I really appreciate someone that can be unselfish enough to appreciate that what we do is for the good of the mud as a whole. At least, what we feel is for the good of the mud at the time.

I'm man enough to admit that we've made some bad decisions in the past. In fact, a load of those bad decisions is why everything has to change now.

I have a choice. I can do it all at once and make it as painless as possible for you guys, or I can do it slowly. Doing it slowly COULD require multiple player wipes.

Thus, I have basically left you guys alone for a year and a half now…fixing things that HAVE to be fixed and nothing else. In the mean time, I've been working on what amounts to almost a completely new code base with fewer bugs, crash and otherwise, better classes, better mobs, smarter AI, a better combat system…everything that needed to be improved really.

We already have the best mud out there, and it just keeps getting better. My heartfelt thanks to all of you that evolve with it and understand it's for the best!

N

I'm actually sorry I snapped on you Wrath. I don't wish you would go away, I just wish you'd be open minded and give me some credit.

I wouldn't do a player wipe without making things better for the players.

It must be rough having the only thing that defines you being a silly little computer game. I pray that one day, Nothing, that you will have something in your life that has actual meaning, and that the simple question posted by some un-named idiot won't deal such a devastating blow to your obviously fragile ego. Good luck to you.

It's not the question that bothered me. It's your attitude about the whole thing. Saying that you DEAL with the changes that we work hard making, rather than giving us some credit for it. You of all people should understand that.

And I retract my former apology.

My post and your apology happened at the same time. I read it after my post. I, too, apologize for my rashness. However, I do still wish you luck in your future endeavors.

And Wrath, I'd like to point out that your second post is a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.

You accuse me of being defined by a "silly little computer game" when you're the getting bent out of shape and saying your going to quit because you're going to lose your characters.

I had several gen 10 characters before the first wipe. I lost them all. I just started over and it was, as promised, better than before. I know how much work goes into characters and I promise you that it's nothing compared to the sleepless nights I've spent coding.

At least you play and have your characters because you ENJOY building them up. I enjoy working on Tempus on the whole, but well over half the coding isn't enjoyable. It's tedious grunt-work. I do it because I enjoy making the players happy.

The ONLY gratification I get out of Tempus is when someone says, "Hey, good job." The rest of it is just work.

Imagine how you'd feel if you'd put a year or more of work into a zone and the players all said, "I don't want your stinking zone. Couldn't you have just left it the way it was?".

Yeah, that's how I feel. A couple of the imms are the only people I ever get any thanks from. I spent a whole weekend without sleep to put in the bard class. People were stoked and enjoyed it for a couple of days, then all they wanted to do was bitch about it.

Being irritated by someone being completely unappreciative is not ego. It getting pissed at someone being completely fucking rude. If that's a problem in your eyes then it's a problem that everyone has.

N

Since I haven't heard anything and I logged on briefly last night my time; what's the story?

Resetting to level 1, gen 0? Losing all implants? Losing all equipment? Keeping oedits? Losing bank balance?

Yes to all of the above. It's a standard reset of the world. Your IRL bank balance will be transferred to mine on the night of "THE Reboot"!

I would like to apologize for my previous posts on this topic. My original post was taken wrong, but I can see why it was taken the way it was. My subsequent postings were in retaliation, were made in haste, and I am truly sorry for them. Nothing, I hope you know that we all appreciate what you, and the rest of the immortal staff do in order to keep Tempus evolving and exciting. Your time, although seldomly vocally appreciated, is appreciated by everybody that types a single command. Some of us take things a little personally sometimes and out of anger or frustration, shoot our mouths off when we shouldn't, but we all appreciate your hard work. We don't play on Tempus because it is a crappy mud. We play because it is fun, and very well coded and maintained. Once again I apologize for my remarks, they were certainly uncalled for.

Er…no to the keeping oedits part…

Thanks for seeing my side of it Wrath. I'm sorry I was so harsh with you and if I did indeed take your original post the wrong way, I'm sorry for that too.

N

So who wants to start the Nexacy clan when the wipe happens? :D

If that's the case; can I trade in my oedits now for future quest points after the wipe? laugh

I don't understand any of you. But I love the drama, keep up the good work guys! =D

Wow another play wipe! woopee! It's fun to level up a newbie, and biting and clawing halflings.

I've been picking Nothing's brain now for a while trying to dig as much information about the wheels that have been turning in his head about Tempus.

I admit, initially, I thought he was pretty well mucking things up (We had a tiff on here I think about the multi limit or something) , but then realizing it wasn't fair, I was making judgement calls without hearing both sides and I needed to give him a chance I decided to ask and listen.

I very well could have discovered that I was right, but as it is I was wrong. Nothing knows what he is doing, I have experienced first hand how much he will chew on a single idea and attack it from all sides. I have had a glimpse of what is to come but it is awesomeness and I'm flippin' excited.

Thanks Narc. I appreciate that….I think ;)

By the time of the last player wipe I had already quit playing and missed it. Do we lose all our aliases and houses? Also, what happens to clan houses, items, and mobs? Finally, the Tempy awards, will they be reloaded for the winners after the wipe as it is a good way to promote next year's awards.

By the time of the last player wipe I had already quit playing and missed it. Do we lose all our aliases and houses? Also, what happens to clan houses, items, and mobs? Finally, the Tempy awards, will they be reloaded for the winners after the wipe as it is a good way to promote next year's awards.

I'll see if I can salvage aliases, no promises though. However, that means you'll have to reuse the same name. Rather than actually salvaging your characters, there MIGHT be an import routine like there was last time, don't count on it though.

All clans will be deleted, so yeah, clan houses go away as well.

I don't know…tempy awards aren't something we need to consider right now.

N

You start over fresh… like a newborn Tempus babe.

You'll probably have the chance to import your old characters with better stats than starting a new one over, but everything else goes bye bye.

Its setting everything back to 0 and everyone is on the same level…. with an equal chance to become the next Dyne, Lysolchip, or Red (they were not always at the top, you know).

Also bear in mind that we have some time yet before the dreaded event transpires. How much time? I cannot say, I can only speculate. I can only say we are far from ready.

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Could I request that we be allowed to have two-part names in the new MUD? Like a first and last name? Or would that make things implode?

That would be neat, but the system won't really support it properly. Especially if I have to allow you to have the same first names…

N

Ah, makes sense. Thanks anyhoo.

I would like to recommend that damage redux spells and effects cannot be attained except from the casting of a prime or secondary class, in the new version. Having all damage reduction affects removed from items and food/potions would make classes MUCH more like they were meant to be played.

Too late! We're giving everyone 500% reduction! MUHAHAHA!

Could player houses be placed in world in the coming version? I for one would buy a house built on a location I thought was cool (and out of the way, so it wouldnt be found too easy).

Houses could be found by other players, each house comes standard with a single guard (who can be killed) however only a person who's house it is can rent there (unless housed).

House cost can depend on locale. They should be much cheaper in Modrian but more expensive to be built other out of the way places. Either that or Modrian should just be renting a condo, not buying because if you want to nerf eq, right now all houses are used for is storing eq and thats all they're good for pretty much.

New upgrades could include a anti scrying field on the house, more guards or better ones. Expansions and building related to houses could be much cheaper than current. The possibilities are endless!

Having a recall device that is just for your house could be a buyable option, I always thought it was strange only being able to recall to your loadroom.

This has been talked about for a long time but I think finally implementing this and nerfing the large majority of rent would be a big improvement.

And just to add to the conversation.

Nothing, can I have your babies?

As long as you don't ask me for child support.

N

Hmm… been a while since the last wipe.

It is actually tempting to come back and see how the best could actually get that much better. Nothing and his crew did some damned fine work in the years that I played. I say played because I probably won't play again, barring some huge happenings. Although I would be more than happy to share some lessons from cross-game wanderings about what works and what doesn't…

That said, any teasers you all can toss out? I've heard a few rumors from Crescendo, but nothing really concrete and believable.

Is Spaceman going to be a new class?

Like Captain Kirk. He's handsome and strong.

Yeah.. and a princess class… and clown class… ballerina class… contruction worker class… policeman class…. skydivers class… happy bunny class… Lysolchip class (the greedy old miser class)… merchant class… superhero class… … …

Hell ya! Sign me up for a Lysolchip/Happy-Bunny remort combination!!

Lysolchip ANNIHALTES you with his wrinkly old bunny hop!!!

I didn't take the time to read the entire thread since I have to be to work in 30 but… heres my thoughts on what I have read. Every time you remort, what is it for? You lose your 49 levels, knowing that you will be more powerful when you get those 49 levels back. How is a player wipe any different? You lose 10 (or however many you have) gens and 49 levels, but you know that when you get them back it will be much better and you will be more powerful. If your so upset about losing eq, none of it is irreplacable. You got it once, you can do it again. Im not talking about loading eq because I know someone will retort with "Its not like all my eq can be gotten by killing a mob!" So you won a quest for your eq, win another one. Or you won 25 quests and got an oedit, win 25 more. Its not the end of the world. If you really really don't like it, no one is forcing you to play.

I agree whole-heartedly.

But mostly because I haven't done jack compared to most of you.

(Not from lack of trying, mind you!)

And now I can't wait for the wipe! I'm so looking forward to playing a princess/skydiver! Not even Lysolchip could stop me if I hit him with a rainbow and flew away! BITCH'N!

Just a note on progress. If I don't stop adding new stuff we're never going to get done. I've spent the last 3 or 4 days adding three new HUGE things to the mud. Because of that, absolutely no progress was made towards the existing goals.

coughs at Aethos and Logic

I have even another huge change planned for the coming week. This one won't really affect you guys, but it's needs to be done.

Right now, zones are organized in 100 room blocks. You can have a zone that's 100 rooms, or 200 rooms, but not one that's 50 or 300 rooms. It's organized so that a room number is always a 4 or 5 digit number. Well, guess what, we're almost out of zone numbers and room numbers. Because of limitations in the code, zones numbers are currently required to be < 1000, and room numbers < 100000.

So, rather than just lift those restrictions and continue with a broken paradigm, I'm going to do what I do best. Break it, and build it back up better than before.

I'm going to lift the restriction on zone numbers being < 1000, and make it so that the first room number in a zone is always 0. That just means that room numbers won't be unique. It'll also give us the flexibility to build much better zones, that work much better with one of my other recent addtitions. ;)

Now, doing this in and of itself isn't too hard. Tedious, yes, hard no. What's going to be the problem is making sure that everywhere a room number is referenced in our saved data, it gets converted to whatever I decide the new system should be. As well as making sure that everywhere room number is referenced in the code, it gets changed to do the appropriate thing. Hmm…after a quick check that's 347 places. Sucks to be me, eh?

Anyway, just wanted to give you guys an update.

N

300 now == 350. That's new math. Don't ask questions, just accept.

Don't ask questions!?!? Just accept?? This reminds me of a fun old saying…the easiest way to keep a population oppressed is to keep them uneducated!

That being said…keep up the good work Nothing :p

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I love Big Brother!

That is a very good addition. Does this mean imms will have problems going to certain rooms in the mud? For examaple goto room # XXXX. Since some rooms will have the same #? Anyway, good addition for sure for making zones.

HUH?!!?!?! there's a P-wipe!!!!! man! when is it? so does imports have max stats? i can't believe i'm about to miss it

Won't be until the end of the year, Cast, if that. It may run longer considering the current rate of progress.

Importing may or may not happen this time. That's something I'll have to think about later when I have a minute to consider how it could actually be done, and if it's worth it.

N

I don't think imported stats are worth it, the name itself has its own value.

Considering how shit Elric's stats were on the import from the last pwipe it's not worth it :P (I believe he was just really freaken unlucky though).

Can something be done about old age in this iteration Nothing?

Remove the negatives for getting old in Tempus years please; it's a touch of reality I don't need to experience :P

so what's the difference between a imported character and a newly created character?

Last wipe's imported stats were all evenly distributed. It might've been higher than a newly created char, but I don't really know. I just know that it worked for some classes, not so well for others.

Player Wipe

The current tempus as we know it will be wiped clean and a new refreshing era of game play will be born.  It is something to look forward to because tempus will be improved.  Honestly, you will not find another mud with such dedication for improvement.  As far as I know this is the fouth generation of tempus.  Every and each time tempus has reborn to new powerful players and clans.  Perhaps one day enough code and improvements will reach a new height.  The height where wipes are no longer needed.  Tempus would be so perfectly designed that characters would age always allowing new players to become powerful and over throw the most powerful mortals.  After all, this would make perfect sense for a age type of code to be implemented.  The point is, it is not because of the players becomming poweful that a wipe is needed.  Tempus despratly needs to be updated.  Old zones revamped to fit in with the new policy and code.  New zones and continents to expand the ever growing tempus realm.


From a quick glance of a wipe it can seem depressing because of all the time you have invested into tempus.  Not to mention it is not easy to look at tempus as just a game.  Tempus is not just a game, for some people tempus is a hobby of life.  Immortals such as Wish and Nothing (many others) who put hours of work into the game.  When I write work I mean it.  To build and code and create policy it takes alot of hard work.  In the end the goal reached will make it all worth having to go through a wipe.  Tempus is also not just a game because real relationships devolp.  Why dwell over everything like eq, level, and generations you will lose because if you like it or not, it's going to happen.  I hope everyone can look at the postives of a wipe and forget the negatives.  In the end tempus will improve once again for the greater good of things.  Accept the fate of the end for a new begining.  If it was not for the hard work put into tempus we would have no tempus at all to enjoy.  We should applaud everyone involved with the changes and hope for the best.  Give it a chance, come back to tempus after the wipe and enjoy all of the new things that will be.

I have decided there will be no import this time.

There's just too much important stuff to do to spend time writing an import routine. It's not as easy as you might think. There are lots and lots of variables to consider that complicate matters. It was easier last time.

However, I will set forth a policy of no name stealing right now. If we find that you have intentionally stolen someone elses name, and intentionally will be entirely up to our discretion, there will be dire consequences. Don't do it. Period.

This also means that you might want to save all your aliases before we do it. I'll let you know about a week beforehand to give you plenty of time.

N

Posting to say this is a good idea. This might be because I've accrued like 50 million in rent debt.

Are you going to post a list of changes or is that something we need to discover? The reason I ask because I stopped playing because I never felt as if the Ranger class was really as good as the other classes. If you do publish them, I'm sure everybody here will appreciate it.

I know Storm plays it down, and even denies it.. but Storm would shiv you in the gut and throw you down some stairs for bad-mouthing ranger - I witnessed Storm taking out an entire family of chimpanzees and a baby elephant once in the octagon.. You watch your mouth! I also stomped on Lifeline at a mudfest for his bad-mouthing of the ranger class. Both of us together united with rage from ranger-hating could probably take down all the loins and a few giraffes in Africa in the octagon, I punched a giraffe in the face and cracked his head open like a walnut after Storm sweep kicked 'em.

Mind your P's and Q's..

Also stop hanging out with Gimp, aka that retarded methed out fox at the bottom of this page.. Ranger isn't as good as the other classes.. snort

have you only played ranger/phyz, things change all the time,

Ranger brings, great redux, dual wielding that gives a bonus, a repelling attack that works while grounded, the ability to brand weapons so at the higher gens you can dual wield 9 lb weapons, high hps/mana/move, a retreat, decent thac0, refresh/medic for those times you can't use anything else from !mag ect, counter-attack for extra beating, sweepkick to further pummle, disarm if you need, pelekick if you're feeling frisky, if you're outside, entangle.. entangle is a great spell, if only it worked indoors.. like scattering some seeds and making them grow like wildfire.. CRITICAL HIT! read scrolls, rescue, cough

If you find a nice class to pair that up with, you've got a nice big bowl of OK, but not feeling as ranger is as good as other classes, you're chillin' with Gimp.. If Ranger isn't your drug of choice, there's a heap of others to try out, maybe you'll find a nice shade of mage is more your speed.. I can't see quitting just because you don't jive, or haven't found how to make a class/combo jive, switch it up.. "Run the Rainbow" RtR as i say, you can find something most people overlook, if you look hard-enough.. Be like Bruce Lee, caution into the wind, seize the day!

Good luck,

PS. Anyone can fight a chimpanzee, but you'll lose if don't think.

See you in the Octagon!

I'm just not sure how to respond to that…

I, for one, am glad to see somebody finally putting some effort into their posts.

Wow a player wipe ey… looks like theres no incentive for me to not run into every dt possible muhahahaha. I have a sudden urge to go streaking through hell….

nono, the playerwipe implies that you should go explore every DT possible! there is NO negative repercussion, given that everything you've built up will be gone.

however, there are major benefits: after the pwipe, you will KNOW exactly what is DT and what isn't. explore all the zones you can!

… wait… ack i can't read. haha. let's all DT!

So, how's it going guys?

Vote 4 Frychu as Best Newbie!

i have been here goin on 4 years now and i personally think that a trip back to the beginning for everyone will be a good thing… new classes for everyone to master, new zones to learn, just new everything. and yes there will prolly be someone to step up and dethrone the current Kings of the mud in lysol, dyne, cres and the infamous red.

i think that some ppl wont come back, i personally will be back sooner or later… having a 5 month old dont exactly give you time to play. but i love this game no matter how ridiculous it seems to ppl who dont know anything about it. its not really about the game itself. i can sit on here for 5-6 hours and not leave my house and have fun. i can get pked and get all my shit taken and still have fun (i went through that alot). i personally cant wait to see what everyones hard work turns into

thank you nothing for making tempus the best mud out there!

Kak

I will be looking forward to seeing you come back Kak. I hope everything is going well for your home life with the new baby. I have my second one on the way and I can't wait. Good luck, see you soon.

Wow, it's amazing how little people know about pwipes. Oh, and Mr. Nothing, I could NEVER do what you do. You take SO much bitchin' and have to be all PC and civil and what not. I appreciate what every immortal has done for this mud, and I even might respect some of them. Well, nah, but I don't know any of em now adays. Hell of a job on the whole future thing and all that though. I don't know if I have enought time to check everything out and level and all that, but from wht I've seen: Wow. Add an in-game map thingy and promote pk across the board through, well too many ideas to list, but yeah, good job.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if this had occurred… sometimes I feel like Tempus has stagnated quite horribly.

For anyone who was there when Tempus first started becoming popular in the 90s, what was the draw? What made it fun?

I guess getting pk'ed over and over by jerks!

Back when there was no limit to how much you could PK someone, other than the immortals' discretion.

I <3'd the drama with Wrath and Nothing there… that was entertaining…

dont be a jerk, sukka! er, i mean sekka.

… PURPLE…

I think a pwipe should happen :P thats just me :D

God this thread is like a bad girlfriend who keeps coming back into your life just looking for trouble… "hey, I got your socks!" @_@

Nothing wrote, "I have a choice. I can do it all at once and make it as painless as possible for you guys, or I can do it slowly. Doing it slowly COULD require multiple player wipes."

There was going to be a wipe because the game was going to get an overhaul. 'Was', is not 'is'. 'Is' is not 'was'. - You might note the dates on of previous threds, in case you're commenting on something from 5-6 years ago that no longer 'is', or 3-¹⁄₂ yearish.

If you'd like we can try and find a thread about mages from '98, and how they don't have a way to get mana back. Then we can sit back and pretend locust regeneration doesn't exist. Cause that's about what you're doing right here. :P

-:o

they wont do another Pwipe there aint enough player base, everyone will leave, Tempusmud is doomed! :( kidding :D