I would like people's opinions (preferably unbiased and no bashing others) of the classes they like, dislike, and why. :) Please let your reasoning be logical, as opposed to "Because I can't play one," or "because they kill me lots."

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Thankye

David (Strael)

Rangers:

Nothing makes them dominant or fun. They lack a useable spelldown, no real spellups until a mid-high gen. Most of the skills are useless except for dual wield, sweepkick, triple attack, and medic. The elemental protection spells are pretty neat. All in all i'd say ranger makes for a good secondary class so you can gain dual wield. They're pretty boring to say the least.

Yay it's the obligatory "why dos this class suck" thread.

Personally I found cleric really fun to play, don't know why though, i think it's the prospect that everytime i got smacked I would just heal myself and be fine.

I personally don't like palying barb, at all. It wasn't that barb is a bad class, i just didn't like it, it bored me to tears.

I have to say that mage is the best class I've played yet. You can take down extremely high level mobs at low level. They level faster than any other class in the game.

As far as a "bad" class, I'd have to say borg. I admit they are nice but they don't interest me at all

Cyborg. Discharge, all buffs.

Mercernary. Wrench.

Mage. Insane amounts of damage, not to mention having a pet troll rocks.

monks… speed speed, and more speed! they level faster than mages!!

Favorite: Either monk or Psion. Psions are cool cuz, well, they make a migrane seem like a poke compared to some of thier more powerful spells. That, and, well, Psionicist is a cool title. Monks are cool cuz they have Pinches, speed, and cool zens. Not to mention combo, some cool kicks, some nice punches and cool combat assist moves.

Least Favorite: Ranger. The ranger is indeed in need. The things that make a ranger good, other classes have too. It's kinda silly playing a ranger without having a bow (i think ive brought this up before). Rangers are known marskmen with the bow, with the ability to call upon nature to imbue thier arrows with an unhuman amount of power. I think a bow and some more buff/attack nature spells would definately help the ranger out. Other then not bieng too powerful, i love the Ranger because he is a warrior of nature, and a castout of soceity. I just like the idea of a Druidic Warrior.

I believe that thieves are pretty weak, and pairing them classes dont tend to help that. For example: remorting phys gives you AC, haste, but the Phy class in general isnt based for hand to hand so that slows you down, also as a thief you dont get the mana nessecary to be arcing everying to death.

If you try and remort psi then u get the bonuses yet again, but no AC, thus leaving you weak and fast to die. And again you would be lacking on the mana for any heavu spell casting.

Someone suggested to me to remort merc. With this you would be a lot more effeciant in hand to hand combat but you wouldnt be able to heal yourself and again you would have low hps.

Basically what I am trying to get at is that thieves need to be a little more combat based, my friends phy/merc attacks faster then my thi/phy and i am 2 gens ahead of him =p.

I read on another thread that if thieves were meant for sneaking and stealing, then why cant th higher level mobs with the eq worth stealing be stunned? Because there is no way in hell a thief could syand toe to toe against the mobs to kill them, we lack the attacking speed and coughtripple attack cough, i know that was in big dicussion before the pwipe.

Anyway, i was just trying to get yer guys thoughts on the thief class, i dont see a lot of them around and maybe thats because people tried them and found them too hard to play as?

Faithless says: Someone suggested to me to remort merc. With this you would be a lot more effeciant in hand to hand combat but you wouldnt be able to heal yourself and again you would have low hps.

Merc gets kick ass HP.

Thieves and Mercs really need a few more remort skills. Maybe a thief can eventually learn tripple attack? I dont see a huge diff between the merc and thief, they were even pretty close to the same at one point, thief had a random loot skill, dunno if its still there or not. But why can mercs kill better then thiefs can, if we cant get tripple attack to help us level (yes thieves do need to level to get uber, even to PK), we should atleast get a good in combat skill, equivelent to wrench. Also i watch a lot of movies and the people who tend to hamstring do it from under cars and then steal yer money, sounds like a thief skill to me =p.

sorry, cant edit my last post, thief didnt have the random loot skill that was merc, and i know it wasnt very powerfull but it was still a loot (proof reading problems)

Equivalent to wrench? wrench is the mercs powermove, you guys get backstab and a stun, you don't need a skill as strong as wrench. Why can't thieves kill as well as mercs? Because they aren't supposed to. Why can't people get that a thief is not a tank, and will never be a tank??

Move hamstring to thief….right.

Here's an idea, lets just scrap the Merc, and give all their skills to thief comepletely ruining their uniqueness, afterall that's how it is in movies….

You said you aren't seeing much of a difference between merc and thief, Thief is a pk'ing class, merc is a mob killing class. Why thief should get anything merc has is beyond me. If you want to stand toe to toe with a mob and now get killed, then don't paly thief. Hell I can hardly stand toe to toe with mobs and not get close to killed due to lack of reduc.

Why can't thieves kill as well as mercs can? As I said, you guys are a PK class…Mercs are not. Unless you remort borg merc actually kinda sucks at pk against anyone who has decent reduc, since our powermove has a 50 hour waitstate (exaggeration but you know what I mean)

Faithless, I know I'm sounding like an ass here, and for that i'm sorry, your post just frusterated me.

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I think what Faithless is continually trying to get at is the one thing that is preventing you from thinking about thieves in any other light.

ANY class, and I mean ANY, should be viable in PvM.

There, I said it. Cry all you want about thieves being a PK class, but I have watched Faithless do just fine against most mobs. He just wants to have that extra edge a great deal of other classes have against mobs.

Jeeze, what's with people and obsessing over PK. It's a part of the game, but not all of us care to participate in it. I didn't create an evil cleric so many years ago to go Pkilling. Just because the most infamous Pkiller at the time was an evil cleric, people automatically assumed evil cleric was a pkiller. It's the same thing with thieves, and always has been.

Just because the name is weird doesn't mean they're pkiller or pstealers. Maybe we should hit them with the political correctness stick and call them "Rogues."

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I find Physics to be fun, because of their great skill synergies. Put a mob on the ground, kill it, then get your mana back. What could be better? Phys/Psi is killer for this. Nothing like lecture/mel flood/weakness/clumsiness/vertigo/confusion/attract/new phys slow/attack/motor spasm/grav well/entropy field/psychic crush. (whew) I killed mobs I had no right killing with that kind of nastiness.

I enjoyed playing as a few of the melee classes way back in teh day, just because 4-5/round hitting on Liquify would be more damage than a lot of skills can do.

Its hard to say if I disliked any classes. I did find rangers a bit dull, but they always got a bit of help when they remorted.

Simmer down man. No one is "obsessing" over PK. I never thought evil cleric was the best pking class. It's plain and simple, thief is a PK class, regardless of who the biggest pker is. If Faithless is doing fine against mobs, then what is the issue? Thieves can kill mobs just fine, just because they can't stand there and tough out fights, doesn't mean they can't kill mobs.

Sure I can kill mobs, if u wanna count halflings (just a slight exageration). I read yer other post and yes i agree a merc is a thief with a paycheck =p. If u think I can come close to killing half the mobs any other class can then you are in for a big surpirise, I CANT. I know you are going to say "then why did you choose to play thief to begin with?". Plain and simple, so I could get them changed and be able to talk about them from first hand experience. As you all know, most mobs can track, and getting !trk eq isnt worth the negatives on each peice. If you think that i can kill dracharnos, even when i gen up, again u are mistaken. They track and can see invis/transp, so what chance do I have again mobs that can see me and track me? And if you say use disguise that skill is a joke! (yes speaking from experience). Retreat just allows them to follow me and get the upper and, and yes i have been stunned/flooded by nemerous mobs, even spamming stun on the mobs name.

Thank you Sanguinius, yes, ALL classes should be just as viable again PvM as any other. If it was any other way then their would be NO pk restrictions and the only reason to play thief would be to PK, and a few other classes are even better PKillers then thiefs.

I suck against mobs, i suck against Players, am i bitching ²⁴⁄₇? No. Face the fact that thief is what it is, if you play it right it can be a fine class for PvM, and yes, i have ran dracharnos with thief's, and even let them tank, so stfu.

Thieves own everything. If you are having trouble, remort merc. Always kill stuff way above your level using infiltrate, stun, backstab, retreat, elude, and repeat.

To summarize how to get to gen 10 and pwn everything as a thief/merc: infiltrate north stun gith backstab gith retreat s elude repeat

Feeling ambitious? Try this: infiltrate north stun gith backstab gith shoulderth shoulderth shoulderth loot corpse repeat

Merriam