Well I thought this would be cool for remort bards who hate not having enough mana, why not have a remort skill that can get bards to drink stuff and it give them back mana, not like water and crap, but like potions, have the bard drain mana from the potions instead of getting the affects from the potion like phyz do from corpses. just a thought

Physics are able to convert corpses into energy because (I'm assuming) they are able to manipulate and isolate the latent energies in corpses and convert into a form usable by themselves. That energy is already in the corpse, but they physic just knows how to use it.

Potions, on the other hand, are unique substances. Some have energies that restore mana, but some have chemicals that allows one to detect invisibility or to fly. Anyways, my point is I don't think it would make much sense for a bard to be able to extract mana energy from a potion that has no mana energy in it already. You can't learn calculus by analyzing Shakespeare. And if it's a mana potion, then you can just drink it.

I've heard it's rough for bards to get mana, but bards are already pretty damn strong. Sure, it may be rough to get through that sticky mort gen, but once you remort, that's pretty easily solved through becoming a psi (psidrain) or a phyz (econvert).

I really don't think making a bard more self sufficent than they are is a good idea. Already they have an Incredible range of skills and spells mana regen as kitano said can be solved by remorting as a class with more mana or with a way to get it.

Besides there are always mana_tap items.

y not make it so that they can direct some of their hp to mana? just like empower

Because Bards are already when combined with psion or physic one of the most powerful character combinations in the game?

Their abilities requiring a lot of mana is one of their few drawbacks.

i think bards should get a new skill

Beg: asks the target give 5% of their gold to the caster. should not work against players. works on non-boss mobs

This had better not work on players… man that would be so damn annoying to have a bard be able to just take 5% of my gold, say I had 10m on me or I had my remort money on me….

More to the point, while an interesting idea, not only does that provide for massive abuse by someone like percival making a HUGE alias and then typing one key and he goes off and makes 10m by "begging" from 100 mobs or such, it also makes the bard have more range of skills. For comment on their skills and more see my post on one of the bard threads.

That's the beauty of it… it's in % form, so yay diminshing returns =P

In fact, I think bards should have less mana. Having that much mana just doesn't really fit the theme. If I'm assuming correctly, one reason the imms implemented bards was to encourage more grouping amongst each other and have bards relate more as a supportive class rather than another mage class. But it backfired. Let's not fuel the fire. Reasons why I think they should have less mana: 1) Their songs already last long enough. 2) No class should have it that easy! 3) I hate bards. 4) You shouldn't be scared of one unless he's 5 gens and levels ahead of you–unless he's grouped with someone else. 5) Someone already mentioned this, bards are already very well versed (retreat, scream, hp restoring, move restoring, ventriloquism, tumbling, mirror image.) Good lord, what more do you want?

I agree. If any class doesn't need help, it's bard.

Personally, I've never had trouble with mana. I've always had enough (with econvert). What i've had a little bit of trouble with though is move. I know its easy to buy light-green potions, but it would just be nice to have a skill to replenish move. Even with my Hook of Death Kiss, scream drains my move entirely too much.

Drifter's ditty Capacitance boost Endurance

At the very least you have the drifter's, and since your phyz you also have capacitance :)