As a gen 10 monk, I trained all of my zens. When I meditate, I always get the zens in this order: healing, oblivity, awareness, motion, translocation, celerity, dispassion. I also have a gen 3 monk and I only have motion and celerity trained on that monk.

To point out a problem, I timed how long it took to get celerity with both monks. Gen 10 = 16 seconds. Gen 3 = 5 seconds.

I think there's a huge time difference because zens have priorities. Even though your monk has obtained two or more zens at once, priorities take place and the zen with higher priority comes first. So my gen 10 monk has to wait for 4 other zens and their waitstates (16 seconds) before I can get celerity as opposed to a potential 5 seconds or maybe even less.

My point: Learning several zens will increase the time it takes to obtain other zens with lower priorities (such as celerity).

I think the waitstates should be removed and allow multiple zens to be obtained simultaneously.

16 seconds isn't that long really is it for great benefits?

Perhaps it's alot if you're in a NPK or CPK zone for pk reasons. Perhaps they could normalize it to 10 seconds regardless of how many zens you're trying to achieve and you get all of them in that time or at the end of the 10 seconds.

Eh? Of course 16 seconds is a long time and also for a lot of reasons other than just pk. Even for great benefits, it's a long time. But that's not that point, is it? "Gen 10 = 16 seconds. Gen 3 = 5 seconds."

The reason it takes 16 seconds is because you have all the zens trained. If you only train the ones that are necessary, it won't take as long, correct?

Not saying you shouldn't train all the zens, but that's the reason it takes 16 seconds compared to your gen 3 monk who only has 2 of the 6 or 7 zens monks get.

Personally, I don't deem all the zens to be necessary. But that's besides the point.

Yeah, I knew that. It's not right that zens would interfere with each other in such a way. No other skill or spell is like this. This would be like learning both prismatic spray and color spray would increase the waitstate or the mana cost of one or the other. Yes, I would just not train color spray because it's not necessary. But is that right? Should one spell make another spell worse (especially when they're not meant to oppose each other).

This is kinda off topic…but i really wish i could un-learn my zens :P cuz i SOOOO do NOT want to remort again just to get rid of a skill that wastes me time to get all the other stuff i need. It sucks…I died once and needed to see so i went and learned zen of awareness cuz i wasn't thinking. Anyways….FML ever since, i'm so sad every time i meditate :P

and i know it wouldn't be fair that monks can just un-learn zens and everyone else can't un-learn skills and spells and junk…but REALLY? we HAVE to get all of the skills when we're just looking for one of them when we meditate. I'd say that's the most annoying thing about a monk, for me.

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